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I'm Hungarian. Complaining is our national sport. So allow me.

I was born behind the iron curtain. In 1989 it seemed that we were going to be free and it really looked like freedom was forward and repression was backward and the world moved ever forward and eventually all of us would be free.

And now I get to see, from the inside, the West sliding backwards into fascism.

You don't know where you are going, but I do. It's painful to watch you harming yourselves like this.

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What's it to you?
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If it was just us, I'd say we as a species would be okay, pendulums and such.

It's that we're gonna do our best to take everyone with us, irrevocably, that really twists the knife.

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Rebecca Wallace
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I lived in Hungary from 2001 to 2003. Quite a different Orbán time. These days in both of our countries are heartbreaking.
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unfortunately, as someone who grew up with apartheid, I know what you mean

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Szilárd Koczka 🎲
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I feel your despair. I left Hungary in 2012 and the last few months really felt like I am living in a constant déja vu. The pattern is the same. First the schock, then the wishful thinking that eventually the electorate will realize that the populists cannot deliver (spoiler alert: they won't), the opposition will be busy with some symbolic rearguard action for a while and then slowly but surely the apathy kicks in.

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I visited Hungary at the turn of the century and fell in love with the country and its people. Since then, I watched the rise of Fidesz, Orbán, and repression with alarm and sadness. You have been the canary and the miners are not listening.

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🇺🇦 Myke
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do something about Orban first.
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szakib
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@mykhaylo What exactly do you expect this one expat in Finland to do about Orban other than vote against him every four years?
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🇺🇦 Myke
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write.
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🇺🇦 Myke
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what isn’t clear? Write in Hungarian, convincing people to act. Write in English, trying to convince people that at least some Hungarians are sane.
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szakib
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@mykhaylo I'm not very good at writing, but I do support independent / investigative journalism in Hungary with my money. They do it better.
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🇺🇦 Myke
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that is also action. As long as you’re not passive it’s ok with me. I just saw this from Budapest today.
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🇺🇦 Myke
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and please. Do you really believe elections decide anything in Hungaria? Come on.
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szakib
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@mykhaylo No I don't believe that elections in Hungary are fair. They are not yet Russian-level fake, but very far from fair.
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@mykhaylo
Hey, pressuring a random person to do stuff is unlikely to be helpful.

It would be better to tell us what you are doing, to give those of us that are able, inspiration or motivation.

Not everyone is able to take direct action. For some people it's to unsafe.

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@mykhaylo no need to be rude. Or demand how another person conducts themselves about international matters.
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@dngrs @mykhaylo I understand where this came from and I decided to engage in good faith. Orban has been an enemy of many, but he's been especially hostile to Ukraine and a traitor to both the NATO and the EU.

We gain nothing by fighting each other. ✊

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Dean F.
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I'm an American. Trust me, I know exactly where my country is going! I just don't know what to do about it.
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szakib
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@soulexpress To me it seems that a peaceful end to this is no longer possible. The die is already cast. These people will not willingly relinquish their power.
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@soulexpress given that the military machine of the United States is unbelievably well-equipped and well-trained, and the same is true of the NSA that reads every word any of us says, that means we're probably fucked for the next 40-50 years. A long period equivalent to Franco's reign. unless these idiots make the mistake of declaring war on China.
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szakib
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The nineties and the first half of the oughties were an amazing time to be there (and be young).
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@humanhorseshoes
That would be tough on the many people, in Budapest particularly, some of whom I've just spent time with, who are actively and creatively struggling and building alternatives.
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@markhburton @humanhorseshoes Yes, but they could have had an actual revolution in 1989. They didn't. They could have opened the communist archives and purged the people of the old system from public functions like the rest of Eastern Europe. They didn't. They could have protested against Orban en masse with pitchforks and torches every day in the last 15 years. They didn't. Instead, they mostly vote for him.
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@humanhorseshoes @markhburton There was a bit of pussyfooting at first, and Merkel looking aside in exchange for Big Auto's interests in HU. Then they had to keep their own rules of due process and long deadlines. But it happened for the first time a few weeks ago that HU permamently lost about a billion EUR and this will continue. The weakening of the HU economy might topple Orban's power in 2026.
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As Czech, I don't like where this is going. Babiš, Fico, Orbán, Trump - they all want the same - power without any opossition.

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Alles geht vorüber Alles geht vorbei, auch Viktor Orban und seine Partei. 😉
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@Cohalian All things are transient, but we don't always have the time to wait for them to be gone.
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@EevaXTiina I was in BP in 2002-2003, and again for some months in 2005. It was, indeed, a great time to be there. It felt like there was a blossoming of art, creativity, and possibility. Watching as freedoms and the social fabric continue to deteriorate has been heartbreaking.
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